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Still Measuring Success by Church Size?

QUOTE: "Why do most church conferences always make me feel like I'm a failure if I don't want to lead or grow a mega-people, mega-bucks church? Sooner or later, regardless of how many speakers say it isn't about butts and bucks, it always boils down to butts and bucks. Why must we assume that greatness is equivalent to those scales of economy? Last I checked Jesus led only a handful of guys and had, what, maybe a couple hundred followers while He was around on earth. I don't want to lead a megachurch, so I probably won't—but don't make me feel like I'm a bad leader just because I am not and will not!" —Rand Clark, pastor of Genesis Church in Castle Rock, Colo., voicing a frustration felt by countless pastors over the "bigger is better" mentality that often equates congregational size with success [blogs.lifeway.com, 9/9/09]

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-2 #26 Asian Pastor 2009-10-03 08:12
No need to get into the semantics of "mega" guys. I dunno about you guys over there in the land of the free but Asia has the largest population of unchurched people in the world. Thank God for guys like Hudson & Watchman Nee & all them little underground churches that were the darlings of the 80s & 90s. But they don't hold a candle to what's happening in this generation, in Korea, in Singapore, in Indonesia & Taiwan recently. Why the surge? I can tell you from the ground.. it's all about organization, influence and changing/improving the lives of the individuals, families & cities. Wanna preach the gospel? Get an entire village's children educated and provide running water. I guarantee they'll be open to whatever you're preaching. And who's got the resources/manpower/connections to do stuff like this? Megachurches.like it or not.
People don't wanna hear about heaven when they're thinking of how to keep their kids alive on earth.
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-1 #25 Susan David 2009-09-22 13:33
I just recently read an article in a major Christian magazine which profiled 12 thriving mega churches. As I finished reading the article I felt a welling up inside my spirit where the Holy Spirit lives and I wrote down the words as they came to me. To the Asian pastor who suggested small church pastors need to humble themselves and bury their talent in the ground, that's exactly what the enemy of your soul wants you to do. Many pastors leading smaller churches have a word so strong, it's like a fire in their bones. They've wondered for years why doors have not opened for them. God sees and he watches the enemy try to hold back some of God's best, but they won't be held back much longer. My prayer is that you will hold strong and lean into the Spirit of God for strength and instructions. Many of you are about to be released. Keep hope, you're very special! http://tinyurl.com/mfx55w
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+1 #24 Den Appavoo 2009-09-21 20:58
Ok it works. No one can do it all by himself, not even pastors of megachurches. A real pastor is one who pastors a church and therefore should know the people and the problems they encounter. A church is a family and unfortunately the number of people in the family cannot be thousands. I watch God's channel and love to listen to the great men and women of God. But I have some good friends who lead small congregations and they preach as well, because they are only vessels to carry the word. The teacher is the Holy Spirit.
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0 #23 Den Appavoo 2009-09-21 20:50
Just trying to see if this works
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+2 #22 Robert Willman 2009-09-21 04:00
There was a man, Prem Predham, of Nepal, who poured his life out, winning groups of people to the Lord, planting local churches/ecclessias/fellowship s of believers and revolutionized Napal for the kingdom through great persecution. When we speak of growing 'our' church, whose kingdom are we building? Some seem to confuse public preaching of the good news with the 'church'. That is evangelism. Forms of fellowships function most productively as do a family, in microcosm, in my view. That is precisely why megachurches add cell or home groups.
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+2 #21 Dane Gressett 2009-09-20 05:49
Asian pastor: Yes, there's an evil of burying one's talent in the ground. But to presume that every pastor is supposed to have "five talent" prominence is not biblical. The Lord does not give everyone the same level of prominence. It is not God's will for every evangelist to be of Billy Graham prominence. God sets people in assignments that have varying levels of prominence and growth potential.

If you serve on an island that has a population of 500, a vision to have a church of 3,000 will mean you are either tryin to fulfill somebody else's calling and don't want to serve where God has planted you...or you will need to leave your "insignificant" assignment for a "bigger is better one".

Not every pastor is called to have a "big" church. But every church that is healthy should be growing and reaching unreached people. If you're not growing, something is probably wrong.
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-8 #20 Asian Pastor 2009-09-20 04:58
Rand Clark, you couldn't go "mega" if you tried. From your attitude, it's no wonder you're bitter about lack of growth. Look in Acts 2, who is it that adds to the church? "The Lord". Asking "is bigger better?" is like asking " does God want more or less people to be saved and be discipled?" Humble yourselves small-time pastors. You know that you know that you know how happy you are when your altars are filled up with people wanting to know God instead of being empty. Don't like the way Mega's do things? Then go and bury your talent in the ground.
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+1 #19 Arising Glory 2009-09-20 03:36
The Church today is SO LAME on TRUE doctrine.
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+3 #18 Tunde Alan Taiwo 2009-09-18 22:25
I don’t subscribe to mega church, its is a form of creating an empire likened to tower of babel, Jesus ideal plan is for church is to move and not isolate, releasing workers to fan into flame the gift of God inside of them, Lets put a halt to this madness, I rather be General overseer of small churches cut across the globe than be a senior pastor of 30,000 worshippers in a single congregation. The question is this, Do this mass followers knows their left from right? and are they heaven candidate
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+6 #17 BethW 2009-09-18 13:55
1 Timothy 6:5 (King James Version)

... supposing that gain is godliness....

Just because a church is large does not necessary mean it is godly or better. (or vice versa)

Neither does being on the cover of Charisma prove your effectiveness in the Kingdom of God.

I know many unknown and large churches in the East, where 20,000 in a congregation is common. They do not promote themselves, nor are they in the media in America, nor is it their aspiration. They are jailed and killed for their faith. So they are far beyond needing to be on a famous platform, or receiving adulation for the size of their church.

America needs a good dose of persecution to start looking at the eternal aspects of church and not just the praise and recognition of men.

Surely, with everything that is happening in our country the church wake up and move closer to the place of humility, power, and godliness.
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