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		<title>Tough Job Market for Protestant Pastors</title>
		<description>Discuss Tough Job Market for Protestant Pastors</description>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2122</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Correction on the last part of my paragraph. Before (HE) can rebuild anything, it must be broken down. Sorry for the coladeral damage, but let God continue to show you who you are to minister (to) in our out of the church. I chose to follow His leading and prepare (---) for whats to come. And I have not stopped ministering, I just do not approach it as before.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Also, in reference to your second comment, you said that "there are many quality, humble, hungry for God servants of Christ in denominational ministry, they may be hard to find but they are there." My friend, I believe I may have filled that qualification had I not seen all the other mess you spoke about, and that is my point exactly, the traditional church is not going to be able to truly minister the Gospel God desires them to any longer because there are too many who have set bad examples. "People blaspheme the name of God" because of our poor ministry ethics. That is precisely why I believe He is allowing these things to take place, because He wants and desires reformation. Before you can rebuild anything, it must be broken down. Sorry for the coladeral damage, but let God continue to show you who you are to minister in our out of the church. I chose to follow His leading and prepare not for whats to come and I have not stopped ministering, I just do not approach it as before.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2120</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Pastor Turner, I thank you for sharing, I only have this to say, I did not leave the scriptures in (ICor 9:7-11) out as if I was attempting to manipulate the content of the scriptures. I figured if anyone who wanted to know the full content, they would read and come to their own conclusion. My personal understanding as I read those scriptures is that Paul was making the point that I shared, even though we desrve to be paided, we should not expect it least we hinder the furthurance of the gospel.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Pastor Rick Turner says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2119</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Now you know different. The church is full of flesh and carnal ministers who have somewhere along the way forgot they were servants under the Lordship of Christ and believe the church is their’s for the taking and boy do they take. But they are not the majority nor a reason to throw it all away. There are many quality, humble, hungry for God servants of Christ in denominational ministry, they may be hard to find but they are there. My burden and call is to keep myself on my knees and look forward as I endeavor to follow the Lord and minister to His people in His church. I feel for you pain and disappointment. The enemy has used this kind of things on too many people to drive them away into isolation and hurt. I had to decide that I would not go that route although I was highly tempted, after I was burned the second time by denominational officials- I mean burned!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pastor Rick Turner</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Pastor Rick Turner says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2118</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You failed to mention the context of Paul’s statements. Vv.7-11 he makes the biblical case for he and Barnabas being supported by those they ministered to (from the OT I might add) and then he writes that he made the personal choice not to abide by the biblical principles he just stated. There’s two things here-context is important and Paul used the OT to preach from and establish principles to live by in the NT. I don’t get the motivation to reject the OT when that was the Bible of the first century church. The NT wasn’t approved until the 3rd century. It’s obvious when reading the epistles the apostles not only appealed to the teachings of Jesus but to the OT Scriptures as authoritative also, as Paul does here. GO FIGURE!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pastor Rick Turner</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Prophet Owen White says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2116</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I still teach classes weekly. Remember, under this COVERNANT; Heb. 8: 9-13 I will put my laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts.... 11. "And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, KNOW THE LORD, for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest". I can personally tell you that a man that lives in the desert by himself or in the middle of land not known by man. That man or woman still knows GOD. The Lord continues to download himself into the ones that called upon him. This will never change. The only thing we can do is find the lost, tell them about Jesus, and fellowship with the ones that already know him. God Bless and keep doing what the Lord instructs you to do, Great works have begun in you and will continue as he directs your path. The 5 Fold Ministry, plus the re-structuring of Minsitry Offices will be needed for the battles that we all will face in due time.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Prophet Owen White</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mikie says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2115</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Brother I wanted to share the same truths but could not think of a way to share all with such little space. I am amazed how thousands of believers out side the old institutional church are finding these same truths you wrote about with out the help of pastor, prophet, or human teacher. Interesting no human teacher yet all receiving and believing the same message you wrote about that I and thousands if not millions believe in. I discern that this is truly the work of the Holy Spirit so no man can take credit nor try to make another man made ministry out of it like we did in past. Through all this change going on today I am seeing three kinds of Christians today the institutional church believer, the house church believer, and the un church believers all born again believers but all seeking God through different methods. Who's bringing this change Holy Spirit or man?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mikie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Prophet Owen White says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2109</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Praise God! I have always been able to identify a Prophet. From one Prophet to the another. Your message registered 98% correct. Just keep doing what you are doing and the Lord will give you that perfect walk that you have a desire to follow at this time. You sound to me like "ABSFS". If this is true. Feel free to personally email me at owenlwhite@aol.com. God Bless and keep strong in the WORD. You are not alone.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Prophet Owen White</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yes, we are to study to show ourselves approved of God, but that does not mean I need to go to any man to teach me, in fact scripture tells me, now that I have the Holy Spirit living in me, I do not need that man should teach me, because He will lead me into all truth! Get in your prayer closets till you are sure you are hearing of God, repent of any error, and He will begin showing and speaking to you, and then we can see a true move of God, not just this Sunday social gathering we call the church today!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I believe if pastors were honest with themselves, they would admit things do not seem right as they are in the church. And they will not going to get any better if no one stands for truth, and no one repents of error! May He guide and lead us through the times were are about to go through and may He take the blinders of religion, and indoctrination, and traditions, and theology’s of men off us. And may we learn to seek and hear more clearly from Him as to what we are called of Him to do. Remember, God chooses the foolish things to confound those who think they are wise. So your titles mean little to God. The disciples were not educated men in the sense as we believe we have to be with all our degrees in bible, but they did understand they were to followed Jesus, and they walked in His power and anointing, where did we go wrong?]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hopefully this may speak to someone? May we consider what we have been indoctrinated to believe about the scriptures. As I said I've seen both sides and I think the church needs to wake up, beginning with it's leaders! Judgment begins in the house of the Lord, and leaders will be held with a greater accountability if they are following mans traditions and not God. Remember, Jesus said his disciples would be persecuted and hated just as He was. And you may say I'm persecuting you. Well I've been persecuted as well for preaching what I feel in my heart that the Lord has shown me. I've chosen not to follow man, but instead I have stayed in the word and I have been diligently seeking the Lord on these issues and many others that the body of Christ disputes over, and I believe truth comes when we get alone with God and allow Him and Him alone to teach us on some things that man can not teach us because he sees through the eyes indoctrination.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[And I will not feel as if I am robbing God, but I will instead feel as if I am being a good steward of what He has asked me to do, and not what man wants me to do. Be careful if you need man to tell you what to do with what God can show you to do! Ninety percent of the money that goes into keeping the church door open could be used for much better things, I'm confident of this. So why do we not minister as Jesus and the apostles did? Have we become too comfortable and too educated in mans wisdom? And as for the statement, "job market," it sounds worldly! The church looks, and acts, and does business like the world, where is that in the bible? My bible tells me not to have anything to do with this world! It tells me I am an adulterer if I love this world system, and I can not be a friend of God. So why do we do business as the world?]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately what I see is leaders that are more concerned for their own selves, and that is what Jesus said in John 10:10 -13, abbreviated , he said the true shepherd would lay down his life for the his sheep, but the hireling would flee because he is only working for money and does not really care about the sheep. Jesus never charged to share the gospel did he? And He is our role model, is He not? Are we not to carry on the baton where he left off? That is what the apostles did. Oh how far of we have gone. Our only charge from him was that we lay down our lives for him. And if that means we need to give our money, then show me those who are ministering the way the apostles were and I may be willing to be like the brothers in the book of Acts church and share all I have with my brothers in need, but till then, I will use what the Lord has blessed me with (from the work of my own hands) to help those God puts in my path to help.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[And if we do not see that things need to change in the churches, and in the body of Christ, we are sadly deceived! My friends, we need to seek the Lord diligently in these times and maybe this financial shaking is what it's going to take? Because as it is now, not many will give their hard earned money to a church that does not show it’s concern for them and their needs more than they are concerned for their own financial needs. As I heard it said, people don’t care how much you know, until they see how much you care. I personally would much rather help someone who is doing ministry as the Apostle Paul did, and I would support that type of ministry with much more than just 10% of my income.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Have pastors created their own disciples and pew warmers to do what they want them to do instead of equipping them to be disciples of Jesus? I understand some people don't want to do the work of God, they just want to be spoon fed the word, but then there are others who do want to learn and grow. But I believe so many of them walk away after a time because they see the error in what is taking place in the churches. Millions are leaving the churches yearly, including pastors, because they are beginning to see the error in what they have been indoctrinated to believe. Are pastors going to be held accountable for causing them to stumble because they are manipulating the word of God to accomplish their own mission? I believe this shaking that is taking place is not the fault of the people in the pews who "are in rebellion" as someone stated, but I believe this shaking is all part of Gods plan to bring reformation to the church!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[If Jesus, or the apostles were on this earth today and they seen how we have twisted the gospel, boy what would they say about this generation that calls themselves believers? Would we get some strong rebukes from Jesus as he rebuked the Pharisee’s during his time here on earth? Man has indoctrinated us to believe the way we believe today and this is what’s robbing the people that God has called us to help! True and undefiled religion is helping the orphans and widows, the homeless, and the poor, is it not? Well if we as the body of believers are then called to give to the church, how much of the money is really going to those who God called us to help? And are we not all priest today anyway? Do we not all have the responsibility to teach and help one another? Why then do we need to pay someone to give us a message? Why can't we as the Body of Christ all do what we are called to do instead of paying a few "elite" to do all the work of God? Is not something wrong with this?]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[THAT HE MAY NOT ABUSE HIS AUTHORITY IN THE GOSPEL. So why is it that people who are called as ministers of the gospel want to go opposite of how the apostles lived and ministered? And why are scriptures twisted to make our point? You could say that is what I am doing, but if you think about the full counsel of Gods word, I believe you would have to agree no charging to preach would be closer to the heart of God. God does not need just a few paid preacher to get his message across, he could use each one of us, and I believe that is His desire, that not one would be greater than the other, all servant leaders, and no hierarchy or hirelings. As I see it, anytime Paul mentioned the gathering of money, or speaking of paying anyone for ministering, I'm positive it was not meant to be used as we see it being used today.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[In verse 15 Paul said, but I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. 16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship. (NLT say v.17 this way, if I were doing this of my own initiative, I would deserve payment, but I have no choice, for God has given me this sacred trust) 18 What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel. SO BECAUSE PAUL WAS NOT PREACHING “OF HIS OWN INITIATIVE” HE FELT HE COULD NOT RECEIVE PAYMENT FOR WHAT GOD ENTRUSTED HIM TO PREACH. A THIS HE FELT WAS A REWARD, THAT HE PRESENT THE GOSPEL WITHOUT CHARGE,]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I believe as the book of Acts says, we should give even more to further the work of God, BUT NOT TO PAY BIGGER SALARIES TO PASTERS! How is that right when we indoctrinate men that this is part of the benefit of serving the Lord? Many of these pastors are living like kings while many of their congregants do not know if they will have food to eat for the rest of the week, or how they will pay a water bill! And then they are calling the people in the pews the ones who are robbing God! Give me a break! Granted, I understand this is not the case with all pastors, but many do justify their salary based on worldly views. The Apostle Paul ministered the Gospel for free and he worked for a living, he was a tentmaker and he used his money own money to advance the ministry of the Lord.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[However, in all my study’s since I have now come to see many scriptures much different than I was indoctrinated to see them while in bible seminary. Today I agree with the Apostle Paul as he stated in (I Corinthians chapter 9), v.11, If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? 12 If others are partakers of this right over you, are we not even more? Nevertheless we have not used this right, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ. Paul said he did not want to hinder the gospel, and I believe that is what takes place when churches want to make people feel guilty for not giving a tithe, or supporting what they feel is a ministry that the Lord wants them to provide.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was then told that any ministry that I attempted to do without the approval of the church would be cursed. "Of course it was said in love," but shortly there after I felt as if none of my so called brothers in Christ wanted much to do with me any longer, I was now treated as a person in rebellion because I chose to obey God over them. Here is my issue, God called me and transformed my life, man did not call me! So now why was it that they were trying to indoctrinate me into following all their rules and regulations. Mind you, I did receive my credentials that would enable me to become a license minister within the A.G, and I was in a pastoral internship, and taking classes to become an ordained minister. But as I said, the Lord showed me this was not the direction I was to go in if I was to obey Him and not man. I was hesitant from the beginning, feeling as if I was doing this for man (getting my credentials) but I have to say it did help me learn to study.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Boy was I in for a surprise! As I shared my heart with one close Pastor whom I still love dearly, He assured me that I must follow the leading of the Holy Spirit as to what I needed to do with what my spirit was grieved about. As soon as I spent enough time alone in prayer the Lord told me that He did not call me to follow man but Him. Long story short, I went back to the pastor and explained that I was no longer going to be a pastoral intern nor was I going to participate in ministry within the church walls because in my alone time with the Lord He was calling me in a different direction. The pastor understood for the most part, except when I said my tithe would go with me as well to use in whatever ministry the Lord would direct me. Boy how ignorant I was to assume that this was going to be okay to share with a pastor who's salary depends on tithes.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>And He walks with me</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>And He walks with me says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2093</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Allow me to share and see if this may help us to consider where we are today concerning the times we are living in. I went to bible seminary to get my credentials to minister the gospel in the Assemblies of God after an encounter with the presence of God. I did everything that the church required me to do to be a "good obedient and submissive follower of God." But I now see that I was following traditions of man to accomplish the work of God in my life that "He" had begun. Yes, because I so desired to minister the gospel (and still do) I did all man told me I should do so that I could become a pastor. The only problem with this though was as soon as I began to see how the churches were operating (the church politics as some call them) the Holy Spirit quickly began to reveal to me that this was not His desire for His church. I had worked in the secular world long enough and I blindly assumed that saved, born again, regenerated church people did not operate like the world!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>And He walks with me</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Pastor Rick Turner says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2085</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Why then did Jesus not obey all the OT stuff? Why then did the Pharisees find fault with Him if He was a Jew living in the OT following the law as a Jew.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pastor Rick Turner</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Pastor Rick Turner says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2084</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I disagree with your perspective and slicing and dicing of the ministry of Jesus, when the church began, etc. Of course he would have encouraged Jews to do what was not only religiously but socially part of their lives and heritage- Gentiles had no such background. John the Baptist and Jesus proclaimed that in His person He was bringing the Kingdom of God. Paul was reprimanding a church that was turning back to legalism in order to be right with God. These are two different things. Dr. Richard Turner D. Min. Lead Pastor First Assembly of God Wood River, IL www.firstagonline.org]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Pastor Rick Turner</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mikie says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2078</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think N.T. started when Jesus died. The veil was rent from top to bottom starting the close of O.T. and beginning of N.T. This is when Gods anointing left the OT church and moved into his N.T. temple not made with human hands. Interesting that when Jesus healed Jews he told them to go and give a thanks offering to meet the requirement of the law but when he healed a gentile he did not require them to give a thanks offering which was a requirement of the law. Why do you think this is after all this was N.T. right? Just think about this! This was O.T. and he did not require a non Jew who he healed to give a thanks offering. If this is so why do you think he would of required us saved gentiles in N.T. to gave a tithe which is part of the O.T law. Gal.ch.3. says if you try to keep one part of the law you have to keep all the law and back to the curse. This would include tithing. We are to live by faith in N.T. not the law which includes tithing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mikie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mikie says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2077</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Richard reg: Matt. 23. Jesus was a Jew living in the O.T. he was brining a close to O.T. and bringing in the N.T. because of this he had to follow the law as a Jew. As a Rabi or teacher of the law he had to instruct the Jews to follow the law and tithe as he did in Matt.23. Jesus fulfilled the law through his life and death. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for our sins and there were no more offerings required or needed to meet the requirements of the law. Jesus had met them through his life and death. There was also no more need to tithe after this because there was no more law to fulfill or keep. Jesus said it was finished met this requirement of the law through his life & death. That's why you can not find one verse in N.T. referring us to tithe. Thousands of believers are finding this truth today. George Barna has more information on this if your interested.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mikie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Richard Turner says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2068</link>
			<description><![CDATA[#5 - Mikie- I'm not sure what people do with Matt 23.23-24 who say the NT doesn't endorse tithing. This is Jesus Himself endorsing it. It's the ONLY time he referenced the Pharisees in a positive light! Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE without neglecting the others. This is a pretty clear endorsement of tithing and if Jesus endorses it all the OT passages about tithing must be adhered to. I'm not an OT groupie but I am a biblical groupie and so much of what we say about the OT is just not true. One final thought, the NT wasn't finalized until a few centuries after the early church. What do people think the early church used as their inspired text and what do people think the NT writers were referring to when they used the word Scripture? The answer to both questions is the OT!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Richard Turner</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Sheddy1 says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2064</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There has been so much negative rumor about churches failing, pastors not able to find work etc, that if we had to give in to this, the church would certainly fail. God calls pastors for a specific vineyard and He will place them there. God builds His church and as leaders we have to stop this negative influence in our lives. God opens and closes doors. He provides for our needs. Strange you never hear about the many miracles happening in churches, that are growing and ministers being blessed.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sheddy1</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Sheddy1 says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2063</link>
			<description><![CDATA[well, I have read quite a bit of this type of scary news concerning pastors and churches diminishing. A good thing is that it is God who has the plan for our lives and as pastors, He will place us in the vineyard where He wants us to be. If we now suddenly get afraid and run.... that's exactly what the devil wants,,,,, panic in the church. God builds His church and the gates of hell will not prevent it. As Pastors we are in God's hands, we must trust Him with our call on our lives.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sheddy1</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mikie says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2053</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I don't remeber reading anything in NT about pastors being in paid positions as pastors back then. So why must we have them paid now? If working was OK for Paul and his deciples why would it not be OK for todays clergy? Regarding Bob Granger comment on people robbing God for not tithing that was qouted from Malachi to OT jews and was part of the OT law. Tithes do not apply to NT believers today because that was part of the law. There is not one scripture in NT to support his statement on tithing and robbing God in NT. This is a great guilt trip that has been put on poor church people. God came to set us free not bound us up again with more man made laws.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mikie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Bob Granger says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2052</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Forsake not the assembly of yourselves , as the manner of some is , Paul said. A God calledPastor watches over your souls , God says . The main reason Churches have less money is the rebellion +worldliness in the PEW. Doubt + Unbelief too at what God said. In the area of money " Prove me now etc., Refusing to Tithe + bring the King our Offerings grieves the Holy Spirit . Thieves + God robbers in the PEWS ! ! Saints worshiping Obama + looking to a man instead of the KING.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bob Granger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Prophet Owen White says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2048</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That's not so bad. This means that Churches should look at having more than one Pastor to watch over the members. Associate Pastors would be great. Some of the Mega Churches could support hundred's of new Ministries and Ministers. Remember, not all are called to be Pastors. Read Eph. 4:11.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Prophet Owen White</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Carolyn Goss says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2044</link>
			<description><![CDATA[While this article speaks volumes, I keep hearing our Father say -He is not willing that any would perish. :-) In reality the world needs everyone God has called. We are witnessing a sign of the times and a change in the traditional church, I say use whatever means possible. A building is just a building w/o the soul saving presence of God. And He has called us out of the church and into the streets to save his children from a dying , hopeless world. I pray we open ourselves for a new "CHURCH" a living church. : :-)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Carolyn Goss</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Arising Glory says:</title>
			<link>http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-news/18927-tough-job-market-for-protestant-pastors#comment-2041</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This article speaks VOLUMES!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Arising Glory</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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